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Re: Red Ovals



If you go that far, then why not print the whole ballot specification on all ballot proofs?  Then the whole message (not just part of the message) will get to "the guy who puts the ink on the ballot".
 
I understand your frustration, Greg.  Here you are, with many elections under your belt using this red oval color, and you haven't had a problem (at least not one that was yet attributed to the red oval color).  And yet, your hands are tied as to specifying the color, because you have no control over that.  But you continue to recommend it (unapproved) to Canadian customers anyway due to your confidence level with that color.
 
This business about Pantone 032 Warm Red has to be put to rest.  Global has to test the worst-case configurations possible when using these ovals to ensure that we don't screw ourselves when creating ballots in the future.  I know our "Famous Name Demo Ballots" have red ovals but I'm not even sure what specific Pantone color is used for those (another project I have to take care of.)  But those ballots have got oodles of space around the ovals, so I'm less worried about them.  Now take a complex election ballot with not much room between the oval and the text/boundary boxes and what happens?  Is it better or worse?
 
I'm not willing to say that every AccuVote will process that type of ballot until we thoroughly investigate it.  That means changing the specifications after the investigation.  And when it comes to investigation or specifications, it appears to be me that's got to do it.  (Unless someone else is willing to take up the torch?  Any takers?  I'd be glad to hand it off?...       I didn't think so.)
 
I think this red oval issue will conclude this year, but it will probably require some more restrictions in GEMS for how close text and boundary box lines get to the voting ovals. (I will RCR that separately if it comes down to that)
 
What I don't seem to have is time to do this.  Let me see if I can schedule some testing in December on the red oval color so I can compare it to the thin black oval reflectivity.  Don't worry about sending me samples.  I've gotten plenty from Sophia (King County) and Greg (Canadian elections) in the past.  After we've done that, maybe then we can look at putting some ink info on the ballot proofs, but not yet.
 
Until then, right now the best color in the world to use with our Visible Light Reader is Pantone 130U.  It's that orange color that looks so bright, you can't miss it.  The next best color is Pantone 129U.  That's the same color the US Census is going to standardize on for their Year 2000 census scanning forms.  But far be it for Global to start using standards now when we've created so many of our own in the past years.
 
Ian
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 11:28 AM
Subject: Fw: Red Ovals

There should be nothing on the ballot proof sheet specifying oval color.  That information should be placed into the ballot specifications.
 
An excellent idea!  
Should we re-distribute the "Ballot Specifications Revision E" by Email to our existing customers or by fax or by and mail?  Or should we tell the customer verbally? 
How do we get the "information" to the most important point in the ballot creation process, the guy who puts the ink in the press?  If the wrong ink is used, where will the finger be pointing for the cost of the reprint?  At Global's Ballot Specifications Revision E, (whenever it will be issued) the salesman, the support person, the President?
Why not simplify life and have the "information" obvious to the "separate ovals, thick ovals" user every time it is used? 
Then the finger will be pointed either at the customer who should have informed the printer or the printer who reads it on every film and plate. 
I would prefer the responsibility for the correct printing job (colour of ink) be placed on the printer, however we get it there.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Piper
Sent: November 23, 1999 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: Red Ovals

There should be nothing on the ballot proof sheet specifying oval color.  That information should be placed into the ballot specifications.
 
Ian
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 12:15 PM
Subject: Red Ovals

Request change report: 
 
When selecting Separate Ovals in the Print Artwork module;
 
1)    Thick ovals become the default.  (Have seen two elections so far with thin red ovals, very difficult to see)
2)    A note to the printer on the ballot proof sheet to use Pantone 032 Red. (Darker reds will cause "Invalid Mark")

Greg Forsythe
Global Election Systems, Inc
24 Hirondelle Place, Ontario M3A 1V8
Phone (416) 446-1383
Fax (416) 446-1425
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